Thursday, November 22, 2007

Happy Thanksgiving

Thanksgiving has long been a holiday dedicated to expressing our gratitude for the good things which have happened in our lives during the preceding year. Lately, however, we have been inundated in the media by a three-pronged attack on Thanksgiving. First, they tell us that the Pilgrims really didn't celebrate Thanksgiving. Then, we're subjected to a guilt trip regarding the treatment of Native Americans. Finally, the animal rights' extremists want us to give up eating turkey.

Of course, the real isue is that they don't want us to give thanks because there is only one being to whom thanks could logically be given: the Creator of Everything, He Who Bestows All Blessings, the Being Formerly Known As God (before liberals tried to make "God" a dirty word.)

Let's address these "issues" briefly:

One - It doesn't matter whether or not Governor Bradford and the other Mayflower travelers celebrated Thanksgiving. You see, for them, the reality of Divine Providence's daily involvement in their lives, making their very survival possible, was something impossible to question. As far as the Pilgrims were concerned, every day was Thanksgiving Day. Whatever minor blessing or gift they were bestowed, they thanked God for it. The real question is not whether the Pilgrims picked one day to be thankful. It is why would we be thankful on only one day.

Two - I firmly believe that the Native Americans got a raw deal. That is beyond dispute. Europeans came into the Americas, exploited both the Natives lack of technology and their differing attitudes about ownership of the land and took over. However, from a historical perspective, this was not a race issue. It was not white versus non-white. Literally dozens, if not hundreds, of ethnic groups have been exterminated in Europe over the centuries. The same has happened worldwide for millenia. Does that make it right? Of course not. On the other hand, blaming racism for a phenomenon which was business as usual for white and non-white alike at the time is a complete warping of history. In fact, the Indians themselves had been known to engage in ethnic cleansing throughout the New World long prior to the arrival of the Europeans.

I believe we should do what can be done to help them become equal (financially, politically and so forth) partners in our society, keeping in mind that the dominant Anglo-American culture should be protected and nurtured. We must not, however, under any circumstances allow our misplaced sense of guilt to prompt us to turn the current order of things upside down. People who live in homes they purchased must be considered the rightful owners. What happened centuries ago has nothing to do with who owns the land now. The courts have no right to even hear these silly cases about giving land back to the Native Americans, much less to rule in their favor.

The vast majority of Americans - black, white, brown or otherwise - are descended from those who arrived here long after the Indians became the victims of European discovery and expansion into the Western Hemisphere. Those who do hail from those early days are centuries removed from their ancestors. Punishing any of us for the acts of those whose names we don't even remember is cruel, inhuman and senseless. Trying to mete out justice centuries after the fact is misguided and irrational. There is a reason that all legal systems establish statutes of limitations. This is a perfect example.

As for the turkey thing, what can I say? Conversation with people so ungrounded in reality is all but impossible. People are people. Animals are animals. People have rights. Animals don't. People need to treat animals with kindness and dignity and to avoid cruelty not because animals are our equals, but because we scar our own spirits when we are cruel and capricious. On the other hand, we need to eat and they are there for our benefit, as well as each others. I can hear the PETA people now howling with indignation at my words: "Exploiter! You can't see that animals are our brothers, our equals!" Really? Hundreds of species of animals eat meat and would, in fact, go extinct if they did not do so. If animals were, in fact, our equals, we would have exactly the same right to eat meat as they do. If they are not our equals, then there is no moral reason for us not to eat meat. Either way, I'm having white meat cut from a roasted bird raised for just that purpose.

Hey, maybe they ARE our equals. The bird's already stuffed and I'm about to be. (Yes, I mock the animal rights extremists, because their fairy tales are laughable.)

What this long-winded diatribe comes down to is: "Give thanks, help your fellow man where you can and enjoy the feast God has provided us."

I, for one, am thankful for my wonderful wife and four beautiful children (the fourth won't be gracing our home with joyful noises until just before Christmas, but he or she is a child, a living human being with all the rights we all possess, nonetheless), my parents and in-laws and all the blessings with which the Living and Loving God, the Creator of All, has gifted us. I am thankful for all the good people of our Town, who are quickly becoming an extended Family. I am thankful that we will be taking our Town forward on a new, positive, joyful path and for all of you who made that possible. There's so much for which to be thankful, it's impossible to list everything.

Happy Thanksgiving!

66 comments:

~ alysse ~ said...

(i prefer to use the word grateful)
today i am grateful my 2 sons are home, along with their 'loves', & they are happy, healthy & doing well.
i'm grateful to have a husband i love, admire & respect & i'm grateful for the life we have together.
and lastly, but certainly not least, i'm grateful to our troops who sacrifice everything so that i can live in a country where i am free. God Bless them, God Bless you, & God Bless America.

Anonymous said...

This is a notice that you a BREAKING THE LAW... You are using photographs that are not yours in your postings.. This is copyright infringement and it is being reported to GETTY IMAGES. You will be billed for these stolen photographs...

This goes toward your credibility... A thief cannot be trusted to report the FACTS.

trouttrooper said...

To Truth in Kerhonkson
PLease allow me to give you a lesson on law; thief is defined as a person who takes property without permission for personnel gain. As for the picture for all you know is it's picture Mr. Beke took of his thanksgiving dinner. When you go to a public domain site like google images it's a public domain site and you may use any pictures any way you want provided THAT YOU DON'T GAIN FINANCIALLY FROM IT. It's no different than if you buy a movie and you make a thousand copies but as long as you use it for personnel use and don't make a profit your not infringing on the copyright law. Please have your facts straight before you start accusing somebody of being a thief.

Imre Beke, Jr. said...

My, my, my... It seems our good friends on the Left are so upset at having to eat crow after the election, they need to try and spoil our turkey.

As to the FACTS, to which you refer, here they are: your Town Board was defeated soundly and convincingly. The people of this Town do not want a Government which interferes in their personal rights so they told yours to hit the road.

You can't stand the FACT that we find your ideas abhorrent and out of place in a rural community. You cannot refute a single one of the FACTS which I reported over the past ten months so you find another way to attack. Go ahead. It doesn't change the Truth in Kerhonkson, Accord or Alligerville which is that Pam Duke and her ideas were wrong for this Town. They will always be wrong and we will not allow them to ever come to fruition.

Rochester will never be a planned community. Rochester will always be about freedom first, busybodies last. Rochester will forever be a rural community in the original spirit of America.

Face it - the only way to be happy in this Town is to accept the idea that our neighbors' freedoms are the single most important factor in governance and that interference in those freedoms will never be permitted by the people of this Town under any circumstances.

The Raceway, hunting, fishing - these are positive things in our community. Telling people they cannot build because they are blocking someone else's "viewshed" (what a phony word to describe a non-existent right!) is revolting. Noise ordinances are ridiculous. If you don't want to hear or see your neighbors, you are in the wrong Town, my friend. Life is noise and noise is life.

Like it or not, those are the FACTS.

Anonymous said...

Imre

Let's start by my saying I am a Democrat. I do not agree with all your comments but you certainly have the right to your opinion. And I am man enough to see that the voters spoke their opinion.
But please...just as I would never assume you speak for ALL Republicans and Conservatives....please stop assuming that this one individual is representative of ALL Democrats. You state the town needs to heal yet you make generalized responses based on a single individual.
So please..if you are truly sincere..just be a bigger man and ignore this person who is obviously enjoying stirring you up.
Let it go...You'll don't have to have the last word always....it's okay

Anonymous said...

to address the "FACTS" issue...

I agree... if you want to go after the current administration over specific things they have done wrong GO FOR IT.. i think all government needs to me kept on their toes, and i think the current democratic officials have quite a few "blemishes" to be embarassed about... But don't paint "ALL DEMOCRATS" or Good Vs. Evil , or "Democrats are dumb" statements... your just dividing our town...I know alot of republicians that have very similar issues that i do, and i'm a democrat... and i agree with some of the Republician issues,.... really i do... But when the "good vs. Evil" stuff starts... it's hard to take seriously, and turns alot of people off.. Please... your "voice" could be a positive catalist for change in this town... not just "Republician Vs. Democrat".. I know WE ALL love Rochester.. and we ALL love living here... That's why we all are fighting for our viewpoints so hard... Which is good... I want YOU to be happy... and i would love to know that YOU want me to be happy.. it's like a marriage... Both sides have to give a little... and you don't call your wife "EVIL" or "DUMB".. it just screws up the conversation... does this make sense?

PS... i can't spell well.. so no judgements...

Anonymous said...

Why did your property taxes go from $4,356 in 2005 to $2,460 in 2006 ??

Why do YOU get such a break from taxes??? sounds fishy.... I think we will have to make sure YOUR as truthful as you SAY you are..... NOBODYs taxes drop that much... you have a very nice house... why is it soo undervalued??? do you know somebody? Why do YOU get such a break... when someone with half the house you do, pays TWICE the taxes you do??? unfair...

Anonymous said...

FACTS, FACTIONS, FACTITIOUSNESS

MY TOP TEN FACTS: 1) Pam Duke, Francis Gray, and Donna-Marie Ragonese were soundly defeated by Carl Chipman, Tavi Cilenti, and Manuela Michaelescu. 2) Pam Duke and Francis Gray made very poor decisions in how they handled Manuela's interview process. The allegations, even if true, were irrelevant to the position on the Historic Pres. Committee. This matter should not have even ever been brought up. 3) The Democratic-led Town Board proposed a huge zoning document that caught the general public "off-guard;" despite the public hearing process, many people felt that what was being proposed was "too much, too quick." 4) Wayne Kelder, Carl Chipman, and other Republicans have conceded at recent public hearings this autumn that some new zoning laws are necessary. This message was a different message from the earlier absolutist creed - screed - that you, Imre, continue to stand by. 5) The issue of property rights and zoning is affecting the nation with very similar trends as are happening here. It is true that, as is the case elsewhere in the country, some wealthy outsiders have moved into Rochester and now wish to restrict land use via zoning and sub-division laws. (See "Anger Drives Property Rights Measures," Oct 8, 2006, NYT)But it also true that some working class old-timers want some zoning as well. 6) The Constitution does not guarantee our right to do whatever we wish to do with our property, nor does it give us the right to make the most profit on our property. It gives us the right to do what is most reasonable with our property. 7) Thinking of ourselves solely as staunch individuals wanting to protect our hard-earned turf and not as people who live in a community ultimately is not economically beneficial, good for our health, or good for this town.(I won't bore you with the studies, but one thing the Republican Club has going for it is that some studies show that people who are part of clubs and organizations are generally happier and healthier than those who aren't. We're communal creatures. Gee - go figure? Aristotle said as such 2,300 years ago. The very fact that some of us are hacking away on this virtual "town square" blog is that we're hungry for connection, community, and real dialogue. Not partisan hack spinning. 8) It is also true that Rochester's town government has not always operated in the past with proper or honest book-keeping or, now it appears, proper property assessment for many years and that the Democratic-led Town Board tried to reverse this manner of "doing business" in Rochester. This fact has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans and everything to do with the FACT that most people in Rochester want an honest government that will not misuse funds or tax money. Face it - if you don't want an honest government, you're probably benefiting from the dishonest tactics, and you're not going to be happy living here because from now on the town government is going to operate honestly. I'm confident Carl Chipman will uphold the highest ethical standards of uniting Rochester of running Rochester legally and honestly and won't pander to the tired system of cronies who wish to mine public funds for private profit. 9) The Pam Duke-led Town Board did develop Rochester's first comprehensive plan; did put in place a technological infrastructure that will aid emergency measures, support existing local businesses, and attract potential businesses that will benefit from cell phone and wireless Internet towers; did get the necessary dialogue about zoning started - a dialogue that Carl Chipman committed to continuing at the last public hearing. Yea, Carl! 10) Most of the last two paragraphs in your message, Imre, are zealous over-generalizations that further the great divide in Rochester.

11) Okay - I'm going over 10. But your rendition of the Democratic Caucus on this blog was factual yet, like slick journalism, terribly slanted. It was true that several registered Democrats wanted to put Carl and a slew of other people most of us hadn't heard of in political circles on the Democratic ticket at the caucus. It's also true that a group of registered Democrats got up and left. It's also true, though, that you, Imre, sat beside the supposedly elected Democratic candidate for Highway Supt. and fed him his lines like a lawyer. It's also true that a gaggle of people stood in the parking lot outside to receive strips of paper with names written on them and instructions for what to say, when. In other words, much of what happened at the Democratic Caucus appeared from these facts to be orchestrated. It appeared to be a performance more than politics (I know on the nat'l level there's a fine line between performance and politics, but it's very irritating to see McLuhanites around here so distort the process.). You're the only spin doctor in town, Imre, and so your spin often goes unchallenged. I just wish that you, as a spin doctor, weren't so specialized in your focus and were a general practitioner who could spin to the right and spin to the left and spin in between. I wish, Imre, you were more committed to being factual than factional.

Anonymous said...

Wow! Dialogue!
Let's keep this going.
What's past has to be put behind us. Caucuses are just another part of ancient history.
Well this Democrat is open to listening (and always has been)

So Carl and company...what will it be. Is it more ads in the Blue Stone crying foul over anticpated actions that never came to fruition?
Or is it, as promised, a healing time. Do yourselves a favor..drop the us against them attitude, the good versus evil. Yes it's okay to feel it pompousa but realize this community is changing constantly. Zoning is not all about restrictions. It's about community cohesiveness. It's about respecting your neighbor. It's about safety and security. it's about community rights, not individuals.
Realize that not everything that came out of the previous administration was political in nature. Oh they had their mistakes (some of them monumental) but some policies and decisions were needed and should remain. Some of us Democrats got involved to create a community and still intend to be a part. So dialogue, discussion, understanding is needed.
Not belittling comments, or rash decisions, or retribution, or vengeance.
Imre...you want us to eat crow. But I choose to move on. To admit the town has spoken with it's vote. And to learn from that vote.Not to hold my breath until I turn blue babbling about how the Republican's are so awful and evil, but rather to say how can I work with you. How can I get you to understand my needs and concerns? How can we find middle ground? How can we as a town heal?
I think Carl will try. But if too many want to only have payback where does that leave us? Nowhere in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

I agree: The Caucus is history.

I also agree somewhat with you say about what zoning could mean: safety, a focus on community, respect for neighbors. But I think Imre will tell you if I don't there's legally no such thing as "community rights." I think what you're getting at, though, is that it could benefit each of us in Rochester if we stopped thinking only about ourselves and what will benefit ourselves and instead try to think what could benefit the whole community a generation from now. Not easy.

I'm afraid what you call "community cohesiveness" could be misconstrued as meaning conformity - as zoning has been used to nefarious ends in several communities across the country. The good news is that - to my surprise, actually - the proposed zoning laws do not restrict things like how I can paint my house or whether or not I have to have awnings on my windows, etc. as is the case in Long Island and other places. These zoning laws are actually quite generous in that regard. Several people in Rochester, though, are concerned about their ability to sub-divide their land for as much profit as they can get and as they perceive as their right. This matter won't be put to rest anytime soon.

"Community cohesiveness" also could be construed to mean that you and others prefer a sort of uniform architecture that only upper middle-class people could afford. This may not be your intent, but it is a fear in town. There are several people in town who want to rid the town of trailers - as if THAT should be a major town priority. Personally, I like to drive past well taken care of homes whether they're made of stone or pre-fab material.

What you probably intend to mean as "community cohesiveness" is that, again, we each think more about ourselves in relation to a community instead of only in relation to our property. But this sentiment you cannot legislate. Zoning is a great idea to help us deal legally with future town development, but it's not an easy one to implement without being abused.

I also agree with you that what this town is STARVING for is actual dialogue so we can all try to understand one another's needs and concerns. Not all Democrats think alike or want the same things. Same goes for the Republicans I know. I think the well-fed single artist in town needs to talk to the hungry electrician with four kids, and the librarian needs to talk to the contractor who needs to talk to the farmer who needs to talk to the television show producer.

I do have faith in Carl, the new Town Board members, and Tony to focus on business, to focus on proper town governance, to focus on learning what the town needs (as they serve us, not the other way around - as these very elected officials reminded us repeatedly during the past two years - and I'm grateful they reminded us of this fact, frankly), and to help us celebrate the great things about Rochester.

I love this place and always will.

And would somebody open a year-round coffee shop on the main road of Accord so we could talk about these matters around a table & over a cup of coffee and outside of the performance space of town hall? (I vote that we not applaud any public comments anymore! Town board meetings otherwise feel like pep rallies.)

Anonymous said...

Troubled

You and I are on the same page.
My community cohesiveness comment was meant as a community of many different types and parts whuch melded together form a viable, living, breathing, community of strength.
That's what brings community character. It's not noise or hunting or fishing or artists or farmers or viewsheds )I agree, a dumb word Imre).
Unless we learn to be good neighbors that can't happen.
It is about respect and not about zoning I agree, but an "I'll do whatever I want on my property attitude" cannot work.
I can tell you the proposed zoning and subdivision changes were nowhere near as onerous as projected by their opposition. Yes some areas needed tweaking in them, but it's because they were in some ways "out-of-the-box" thinking that they were rejected. Well sometimes different thinking is just that...a different thought.

I too have faith in the new board to achieve fairness with open conversation. The old board seemed to forget how to do that. That's where they lost people like me. I hope to be won over.

Imre Beke, Jr. said...

Wow! It's been a couple of days since I last checked in. I never thought that responding to "Truth in Kerhonkson" would launch such a dialogue, but I must say I'm glad it did. This is what we need: conversation, regardless of who agrees or disagrees with whom.

There's too much here to respond to everything, so I'll have to pick and choose a few comments. Let me just remark that, although I'm not going to respond to personal attacks, it would be more effective for those leveling them if they checked their facts.

First (and I do not wish to spend much time on this), if you read my previous post, you'll see that I never used the word "Democrat." I don't believe that being a Democrat makes one a Leftist nor does being a Republican make one a Right Wing extremist (Disclaimer: I belong to neither Party). In fact, extremism (in my humble opinion) is more a matter of what methods one wishes to apply to furthering one's goals than a matter of philosophy. There are many Socialists, for instance, who do not advocate trampling on others' rights to get to where they think our society should be. My response was aimed squarely at those who step outside of the arena of public debate to do harm to an opponent. In this case, the extremist in question happens to be from the Left. For all I know, he or she may not even be a registered Democrat.

If any Democrats took my response as an attack on their Party, I sincerely apologize. I specifically avoided talking about your Party because what I was responding to was never, in my mind, a Party issue.

I suppose I should be grateful that some believe I have a "voice" or that I am the Town's only "spin doctor." You may not believe this, but I never wanted to have or be either of those things. I started this blog in February out of a sense of indignation at the way Manuela was treated. While it is true that I have been involved in Town politics for some time, I used to limit my "voice" to a few public hearings and to running the administrative matters of my Party.

That changed last February when I saw what I thought to be a personal nastiness take over the manner in which the Board related to the rest of us. Thus was born this blog and my heightened activity in Town. This was a way for me to vent my frustrations and, well, it's cheaper than therapy.

All joking aside, I never actually thought more than a handful of people would read this blog or listen to my ideas. I'm not certain it's a good thing for anyone, Right or Left, to have too much influence in a small Town.

As to the idea that I should "spin" both Right and Left and in-between, I must respectfully disagree. The Law is an adversarial creature, with both sides presenting their cases. Politics is the process of electing those who make those Laws. There is no avoiding being adversarial in politics, either. Nor should we try to do so, for that matter. By presenting opposing viewpoints, we give the people a true choice. I sincerely hope someone on the Left will emerge to present your side of things, so people can make up their own minds. I do hope, however, that we can present those sides without being personal (by the way, I do not view criticizing official acts or words of public officials as "personal" under any circumstances). I'll even be happy to link to a similar blog from the Liberal side.

OK, now on to some philosophical points. My problem with zoning is primarily the fact that (as we see throughout the counties south of us) that it has become more an instrument of social engineering and the furtherance of political agendas than about protection. Cluster housing is not about protecting neighbors, for instance. It as about cramming people together and leaving greater swaths of open space. Now, I'm all for open space. I grew up here and I love the forests and mountains. However, forcing people to live so close together simply destroys the rural nature of small towns. There is no way to realistically claim that cluster housing is about the rights of those who will live in those homes.

As to the comment about community, read the things I've written in the past. Community is what this entire struggle has been about. However, "community" is NOT synonymous with "government." I tend to agree with Thomas Paine who wrote that government is a necessary evil. It is not a force for good. It is not beneficial overall. Everything it does must be supported by taxation, which is inherently destructive (to those who are taxed, at the very least, but to the community as a whole, as well).

The most effective way for a community to do for its members is to do so outside the confines of government. Food pantries are a perfect example. Government gives us rules, community gives us solutions. Even when government gives someone a hand, that hand is usually accompanied by rules, regulations and limitations.

There is so much more to which I could respond, but I'm afraid I've already been too long winded here, so I'll close with one thought:

This thread began with a post on Thanksgiving. It seems fitting to end my comment by wishing all a very joyful, blessed Christmas and a healthy, prosperous and happy New Year.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Imre, for your thoughtful response. You clearly took "the high road" in this dialogue, and I respect that. I'll let rest for now your intentions not to target a Party - although I think you can see how, in retrospect, some of your adamant comments to "you" and "us" and so forth could be construed as divisive.

I also agree mostly with your views regarding government (which is why, incidentally, the current executive branch on the fed'l level seems far, far away from a conservative philosophy, in my view, but let's not go there). I haven't sorted through my views regarding local government's role and our social contract, and I don't have time to elaborate, so I won't offer any half-baked opinions yet. I generally think we the people should hold elected officials accountable - and that includes town employees who are not elected.

Regarding zoning, in general I agree with your comments, yet in this town, unfortunately, previous administrations in the 1980s and '90s have given ad-hoc preferential treatment to friends and acquaintances for special use permits and zoning changes (we do already have some zoning laws on record) without much regard for objective guidelines and principles on which to base those decisions. In other words, unfortunately, decisions for special use, zoning, and development often have been made with some reasoning at best and with arbitrary preference at worst. I suspect the current zoning laws being proposed in 2006-7 aimed to rectify some of what, I'm sure, you would agree was not an ideal way of our local government operating. A comprehensive plan as well as zoning laws and sub-division laws could be used to give rotating administrations some coherent, legally defendable, and consistent guidelines for town boards, planning committees, and Zoning Boards of Appeal to make decisions. I don't think that the currently proposed laws are perfect. I'm just offering what I think are the more benign intentions for the proposed laws.

In fact, I would prefer more thoughtful considerations for mixing low-impact business with residential, but cluster housing is a viable option for people who opt for such housing. See Mettacahonts and other areas in Rochester that already are clustered, and you'll see somewhat the logic of the proposed areas for cluster housing.

But, regardless, let all of us in this town not let any political faction - right, left, green, or red - drive our inherent right to be involved, active, & vigilant as community citizens.

Okay, I'm rambling now, so I'll shut up.

Thanks to all for sharing your views. Enjoy the Solstice. It gets lighter from here on out for another six months. And enjoy the holidays whatever your faith or set of beliefs, and have a blessed new year.

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